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questionably meagre;

have

But he explains that there

must be other evidence of the prisoner's intent,

and

it is disturbing that in such cases

Magistrates are willing to believe that such was the case, but Magistrates should be bound to make their notes of the Evidence somewhat fuller. I agree with Mr Philipps in thinking that there was no moral doubt in this case; in the latter case.

The Governor's minute discharging the prisoner quotes Mr Philipps as admitting that the sentence was incorrect: I notice however that The Attorney General does not imply that there was any

doubt of the prisoner's guilt, only that the order requiring him to find security was made at the time of conviction/punishment

and

was incongruous as having been

made at the end of the imprisonment.

There is consequently little question as to the man being a danger to the peace & order of the Colony; & Low Commissioners

Perhaps refrain from expressing any opinion worth in the form

of Discretion

upon the Governor's judgment in refusing to deport/banish him from The Colony.

With regard to the Sentence of 24 strokes, the charge being stealing from the person, not simple larceny, and as under Ordinance 68 of 1862 then in force the magistrate had a discretion of awarding 36 strokes, it is perhaps permissible in Lord Carnarvon to determine that the Executive Council took some illegal action, in the absence of any explanation from the magistrate;

and I do not find that the Judge, Mr Justice Russell, called his attention to this, para 120.

Mr Hennessy regrets that he did not give Mr Philipps an opportunity of modifying/explaining or withdrawing his observations, and the Matter is not of sufficient importance to prolong the Correspondence by asking him to do so.

Mr Hennessy appears to be correct in his view of The Established practice of requiring Prisoners to find security when sentenced, and reporting the case to the Governor at the end of the imprisonment; and as the action is

in the usual course

A.J. Lee, Acting Colonial Secretary, and Mr May support a move to prevent the Error in future,

regarding the State; except to approve the action of the Govt. in calling attention to the subject. He does not

suggest that the sentences of imprisonment are vitiated by the order to find security,

or that subsequent orders of deportation

were illegal; as he has not consulted his advisers on either question, I therefore conclude that I need not report this matter further than for information only.

I also add a paragraph 5th. of despatch Explaining the necessity of deportation.

I partly agree

with the 5th paragraph in Mr Philipps' report in which he refers to the Pully case in India, the Attorney General comes near to being better to confine himself to legal advice as distinct from political comment; but Lord

Granard on Council of Queens & Magistrates

without unduly interfering with,

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questionably meagre; have But he explains that there must be other evidence of the prisoner's intent, and it is disturbing that in such cases Magistrates are willing to believe that such was the case, but Magistrates should be bound to make their notes of the Evidence somewhat fuller. I agree with Mr Philipps in thinking that there was no moral doubt in this case; in the latter case. The Governor's minute discharging the prisoner quotes Mr Philipps as admitting that the sentence was incorrect: I notice however that The Attorney General does not imply that there was any doubt of the prisoner's guilt, only that the order requiring him to find security was made at the time of conviction/punishment and was incongruous as having been made at the end of the imprisonment. There is consequently little question as to the man being a danger to the peace & order of the Colony; & Low Commissioners Perhaps refrain from expressing any opinion worth in the form of Discretion upon the Governor's judgment in refusing to deport/banish him from The Colony. With regard to the Sentence of 24 strokes, the charge being stealing from the person, not simple larceny, and as under Ordinance 68 of 1862 then in force the magistrate had a discretion of awarding 36 strokes, it is perhaps permissible in Lord Carnarvon to determine that the Executive Council took some illegal action, in the absence of any explanation from the magistrate; and I do not find that the Judge, Mr Justice Russell, called his attention to this, para 120. Mr Hennessy regrets that he did not give Mr Philipps an opportunity of modifying/explaining or withdrawing his observations, and the Matter is not of sufficient importance to prolong the Correspondence by asking him to do so. Mr Hennessy appears to be correct in his view of The Established practice of requiring Prisoners to find security when sentenced, and reporting the case to the Governor at the end of the imprisonment; and as the action is in the usual course A.J. Lee, Acting Colonial Secretary, and Mr May support a move to prevent the Error in future, regarding the State; except to approve the action of the Govt. in calling attention to the subject. He does not suggest that the sentences of imprisonment are vitiated by the order to find security, or that subsequent orders of deportation were illegal; as he has not consulted his advisers on either question, I therefore conclude that I need not report this matter further than for information only. I also add a paragraph 5th. of despatch Explaining the necessity of deportation. I partly agree with the 5th paragraph in Mr Philipps' report in which he refers to the Pully case in India, the Attorney General comes near to being better to confine himself to legal advice as distinct from political comment; but Lord Granard on Council of Queens & Magistrates without unduly interfering with, Page 216 (a marginal note: it is a shabby thick branch it runs behind This. fis be.) & make it repay
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-questionably meagres;

have

But he sx plains that there

must be other widine go of the prisoncis intent,

d

Jam

it is disauber that in such caters

Z

willing to belim That such was the case, but Magistrates should bond to make their noter of the Evidence someshah fullen. Zappe with Mr Philipps is of Mining that there was no moral dabte in this case; In the ththe case. w. The fovernor's menut discharging the prismen Guotes M. Philipps de admitte that the sentimer to how Hun incorrect: Inotice however that The Attorny furse don not imply that there was any

of the prisoners fuilt, only that the order requiring hime to fin d. security was made at the time of concretion/pustiane

of

inconut as having been

A

-

at the end of the imprisonment.

There is consquett little question as to the men being a dan Charalin, de donn

A

A

-ferous to the pream & oren of the Colony; & LowCarmanon iile

A

Perhaps refrain from of Iressing any opinion worth in the form

Discretion

upon the fovernor's judged in refusing to deport banish him from The Colony-

Tith

regand Stealing wer rotting

to the Sentence of 24 strokes, the charge

Ming from the person, not simple larceny, and as

unchen Ordinancn 68 1862 Then in fore the magistrate.

hand a

geuse Nowon of awarding 36 strokes, it is perhaps 5.-. Jissible In Lnd (aruaron to determine that the Exha Jou Jokes some illegal, in the absence of any 24 plancton

from & magistrats;

and II not find that the Jour

Chew Etc attention J. 120. Russell & this Jerint

apon him for any explanation

Zitt

1 Ama

216

(am

arom can scaras disch

any

action, as

M. Hennessy regents him to do, inasmuch as I for has

nut gin M. Philippo an opportunity of modifigig Explaining on with drawing his observations, and the Matter is not of dufficient importance to prolong the Covespondem Gregsing him to dononos. (It is a shably thick brands it home behind Thit. fis be. )_

& make it repay

MW. Henessy appears the conecte in his view of The Established praction of requiring Prismes & find Lemsily when sentiment, a Dreporting the case & this Governon at the end of the imprisonments; and as the

hv

action is

course

A.J. Lee Broncan & M. May supperti a Ireventing the Earon in future,

regind from the Sac state; except to approve the action of the God. in calling attention to the pubject. He does not

is suggests That the sentences of imprisonment are vitiatial bythiern

regard to the order to find security,

or that subregunt onders of deportation.

in

won illegal; a he has not coumthing

his advisers on wither Genstion, Theifer Iconclude that from hand reput I. This matter for information only.

Z

I also add a paragraphe 5th. despatch Enlayiz an

menssity of deportation-,

Caleyten

*

interfering with the

The jud in

waring the sentives

I parte apree

ryant 5the papery in Mr Philippo's report in which he refers to the Fully case in India, the Attorney Geverne comes how din- better to confine himself to 4 at advice as distinct from postitical comment; but Lont

Bendraser

on conful of Quases & Majeshutes

Without unduly interfering with,

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